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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 9, 2010 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

LONDON � Pink Floyd has begun legal action against music label EMI Group Ltd. over the way royalty payments are calculated in the digital era.

The group's lawyer, Robert Howe, told the High Court that the band was disputing the way royalties for online sales are worked out.

He said the group also wants a ruling on whether EMI can sell tracks "unbundled" from their original albums.

Howe said the band's contract prohibits selling tracks "otherwise than in the original configuration of the Pink Floyd albums." EMI claims the rule applies only to physical albums, not the Internet.

Pink Floyd signed with EMI in 1967 and became one of its most lucrative acts.

Tuesday's hearing was the start of what is expected to be a lengthy legal battle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnkDITDZT-M&;feature=related

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Mar 10, 2010 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Nothing with ruin music more than money, and people.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Mar 10, 2010 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

it all boils down to this>>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6GxCHb2O0

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Mar 10, 2010 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

"Lost For Words"

I was spending my time in the doldrums
I was caught in the cauldron of hate
I felt persecuted and paralyzed
I thought that everything else would just wait
While you are wasting your time on your enemies
Engulfed in a fever of spite
Beyond your tunnel vision reality fades
Like shadows into the night

To martyr yourself to caution
Is not going to help at all
Because there'll be no safety in numbers
When the Right One walks out of the door

Can you see your days blighted by darkness?
Is it true you beat your fists on the floor?
Stuck in a world of isolation
While ivy grows over the door

So I open my door to my enemies
And I ask could we wipe the slate clean
But they tell me to please go fuck myself
You know you just can't win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFplv2fhhpY&;feature=related

think the song fits the situation.

This post was modified by tigerbolt on 2010-03-11 01:59:08

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 9, 2010 8:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Am I all wrong to not see the logic in the "albums are diff from CDs/digi"??! Wouldn't it be like saying "we made an agreement that stills from our movie couldn't be excised from the film and sold separately, but now that it's in digital format, it's okay"? I don't know squat about the right and wrong of the whole scene, but that little nugget really struck me if I have it right...

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 9, 2010 11:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Sounds like they were caught red-handed and made a bullshit excuse... "well uhh its the internet! so, uh, durrrr"

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 10, 2010 6:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Yep! They should've gone further saying "now that it's reduced to numerical/digital representation rather than real time analog 'sound' it is no longer music in the strict sense because if you look at a micro sec worth, it's just a bunch of #s"

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2010 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

i'm not sure i understand why Floyd is making a stink unless they arent getting paid. getting a buck from a single track as opposed to zero from an unsold full album would seem to be the way to go.

if they are basing it on the wish to keep it an "artistic whole" - concept album, then why would they even let radio stations play a "single" track for decades and decades? yeah, yeah - to get people to buy their "whole" concept album - what a crock after the work is 30+ years old.

apparently Gilmour and Mr. Grumpy have little better to do with their time and money (and judging from their latest music, i agree)

torrent sites = "is it any wonder?"

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 10, 2010 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

OH yeah, don't get me wrong, I can see them being exactly as you describe...it was just the "it ain't music anymore" defense that seemed odd.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2010 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

sorry - i didnt mean to sound like i was replying to your comment - my mistake - was not arguing against your point (i realize it may have seemed as if i was) - my comment was just a general one. sorry for the confusion WT!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 10, 2010 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Oh yeah--I knew that too...

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 10, 2010 6:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

I'm not even going to pretend to understand this case from a legal perspective because, well, I'm not a lawyer. But I do think the writing is on the wall for the album as a unified artistic statement in and of itself. Like it or not, sun is setting on the age of the Sgt. Peppers and Dark Side of the Moons. People don’t want the whole anymore, they want the individual pieces to catalog and arrange as they wish- something that's now remarkably easy in the digital age (a good mixed tape used to take all day; today’s portable devices can be programmed in minutes, then done over again at the end of the day). Been in a Best Buy lately? The CD sections are anemic compared to what they were a few years ago. Songs sell, discs take up space.

The old album/CD model made a lot of people rich for a very long time. Now that it is in its final hours, everyone- artists, technical people, production side, corporate – is fighting over the scraps. The big winners in the end, as is so frequently the case, will be the lawyers.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 10, 2010 6:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Heard an interview a week or so ago with Dave Matthews where he states that he thinks his current release will be his last true album because of the way that music is now being sold.

Of course our favorite band around her continues to release its "albums" exclusively on CD. Still can't figure out how they plan on building the base this way.

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2010-03-10 14:54:30

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 10, 2010 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Yeah, I don't understand their approach either- the Download Series seemed like the begining of something promising- I was hoping it would lead to something where you could choose between whole shows and building your own compilations - but it petered out. Now we're back to Road Trips (which are at least reasonably priced) and expensive boxed sets of shows most of us already have in reasonable quality. I understand that there are still a lot of whole show devotees out there who will shell out for most releases, but there are also a lot of us who would just as soon keep our wallets shut than pay for any more Uncles and Jeds. Like Dire said in another post, you'd think they'd see that a buck made off of one sold song beats the hell out of $0 from an unsold album or show.





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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 10, 2010 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

"Like Dire said in another post, you'd think they'd see that a buck made off of one sold song beats the hell out of $0 from an unsold album or show."

I had a talk with someone who was fairly well connected to the music industry and he told me that the profit margins on the downloads are really slim so its probably more reasonable to think about it in terms of making a few cents off of one song than a buck. Perhaps Bluedevil could shed some light on this since he also has some connections in the biz. However your point is still valid as download has become the preferred mechanism of purchase and even with a good idea for growing the base, imo, like the RT series it makes little sense to make it something that you have to buy the CDs and have them shipped (if they ship to your country) and to basically sell them exclusively through dead.net.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 10, 2010 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Just like on the "what DEAD stuff sells" and "for how much" and so on, we really need a music biz poster that could throw out facts and figs for us like LiA us does with DEAD analysis so we'd all be able to debate this stuff with something to go on...on the other hand, I work best, and post most when working from absolutely zero knowledge of the subject at hand...just like Rob and Dire (though with Dire, I suspect it is usually within the "negative range" vis-a-vis, knowledge of subject necessary to post or reply).

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2010 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Hey Dire - you hold him, I'll hit him.

Don't prime ministers have elections now and then ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 10, 2010 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

You gotta catch me first...and recall, even if I orchestrate a debacle such as Gallipoli, you might call me back some day...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2010 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

In the absence of any realistic alternative (let's face it, SDH is no FDR, and can you really see anyone voting for the Dire Administration?) your hold on office looks secure for another term. Damn it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 10, 2010 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Hmmm...all I can think of is what if we were saying things like "The SDH New Deal, what with the free downloads of soundboards, really turned the economy around during the second Depression...just think of how many Baby Boomers it put back to work, what with all the dancing, drinking, and legalized drug use it facilitated--a whole new tax base!"

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 10, 2010 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

God, I hope it has not come down to that, though I suspect it has. Sargent Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and Dark Side Of The Moon were the definitive albums of their times.... The digital era and the MTV era has killed the album era.
"Video killed the radio star."

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Poster: amosearle Date: Mar 10, 2010 6:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Send Lawyers, Guns and Money (Non-Dead)

Interesting. Keep us posted if you hear about it.

Here's my personal favorite of the song:

http://www.archive.org/details/wz2000-04-22.shnf